Jaz taught Jay how to CREATE A SONG..not how to spit though. Jay didn't need to know how to spit, he already had RAW TALENT.

And yeah..I might had taken it way too literal, but in all truth...the way the game's going today, niggas need parenting instead of mentoring to get their ass beat for putting out garbage.

Mentoring isn't doing shit for these clowns.

what took you so long? I'm droppin responses faster than Plies and Ja Rule drop albums. I guess someone is slowing up cuz he knows I'm right



NOW



nigga I notice that you STAY duckin and dodgin my question


droppin an album that only a selective MINORITY will hear.

OR

gettin behind a desk that way YOU have control on what talents makes it way to the airwaves. Like Kent said, I WANT TO FIND THAT NEXT NIGGA AND GUIDE HIM....


yea, I'm STILL waiting on that response.

Peep what Maino had to say since you're not one for details and paying attention start playing the video at 20secs.

YouTube - Maino Sub0 DVD

you can stop at 1 min cuz I know you need to take time to make ya response and shit.

I understand perfectly clear what you're saying but what I'M saying to you is that shit is long and gone ain't nobody checkin for them albums except for niggas off this site LMAO. get focused.

you're right Big, Jay, Snoop and Pac had guides on songwriting and BEHAVIOUR in the media but they had RAW TALENT.

I can't knock that.

so Saigon doesn't have RAW TALENT.
Budden?
Crooked I?
Lupe? lol even Kent praised Lupe.

they don't have RAW TALENT BLAZE??!?!?!!?

"ya but 5th they don't have the money blah blah blah Jay has the money. 50 pulled strings at Atlantic for Saigon to start all that politricks shit"

nigga as I said, if Rakim was the HEAD CEO at one of these labels like I don't know, maybe ummm, ATLANTIC do you REALLY think Saigon would NOT have dropped yet?!

go ahead and type that lie.

SAY THAT SHIT!

Saigon ain't dropped yet cuz he ain't lazy saigon ain't drop yet cause there is NO WAY in todays demographic will a label push a project like Saigons. That shit wont sell and that's all that these heads at the labels care about but you know for a FACT that niggas like Kool G and Kane don't care about sales they care about the ART, the CRAFT. They care and LOOK, SEARCH, and dig for that shit.

BUT NAH, KRS just needs to keep runnin his mouth all on these interviews with his big ass pelican nose.

fuck outta here.

even young niggas like Math Hoffa can point out and respect what I'm saying
Video: Math Hoffa Speaks On On Soulja Boy, Dose, Murda Mook, T-Rex, Reed Dollaz, Jay-Z & More "Soulja Boy Needs Guidance. When You Speaking About Nas.. Nah"

young artists need what? watch the video to find the answer Blaze, its in the first minute.



lol @ you tellin me to pump my brakes. get off the road if ya shitbox flinstones car can't hang with a Rolls Royce

come correct or don't come son. and don't have me sittin here for 30 mins waiting for your reply cuz you know how "lazy" and "impatient" the young bucks are right??

And since he claimed that shit...have you heard from him since then?

Where's his album by the way that was supposed to been released?


And where IS Maino?!





Hold that thought.

Okay.

Clark Kent made the comment that he wants to find the next nigga and mentor, guide, whatever...but the fact still remains..NIGGAS TODAY , correction: THE INDUSTRY DON'T WANT TO HEAR IT IF IT HAS ANYTHING TO DO DEEP LYRICAL CONTENT.

No concept songs.
No storytelling songs.
Nothing too deep that'll make a muthafucka think.

What is wanted: Simplistic beats. Simplistic "green eggs and ham" ass rhymes. Anything that can make money FASTER. Anything that can make the record company money FASTER. Think the root word fast. Microwavable shit you can pop in your ear and get a quick fix off of. The only problem is that so much of it is out, it gets addictive.

And really who can you blame? Everyone says the ARTIST, but you got a label that's fixated on making nothing but microwave music for kids to eat up fast then that's what they want, regardless on how dope the artist is, regardless on how raw he can spit his lyrics.

And regardless of whoever guiding that artist if they can't get the big wigs attention on the raw shit we like listen to instead of the bullshit then, it wouldn't be a reason for this rant.

I'm sure Rakim, KRS, or any of them can get a label started right now if they wanted to. And they made classics and record labels today know that. But can THEY have the time and effort to persuade the the major label about a artist they discovered they know is dope and trust them that if they mentor them, coach them, show them the ropes that they'll sell platinum in a week?

You thing those big wigs at the label actually listened to a Rakim album, a KRS album to understand why we loved their music and follow the blueprint for today? HELL NO.

So why should Ra or KRS waste time to get those dumb ass to understand that this is the REAL SHIT, instead of the artist they discovered and mentoring?

Bottom line: It's the INDUSTRY fault. Not the artist. Not Rakim's, KRS, or Kool G's fault for the artist today making microwave music, it's the INDUSTRY. Because THEY feel that's what the audience today want. The R knows that, KRS knows that, and every other lyrical legend knows that. That's why they remain to spit what they know to crowds and people who know.
So once again...Niggas today want that money fast and how else to get it?


By putting no effort in their music...bottom line.. Lazy. They like their music microwaved..like right now without putting any thought to it.

Microwave music comes in: gimmicks, corny ass dances, rhymes about something that doesn't require you to think too hard.

That's why dope niggas like Crooked I, Saigon, and Lupe don't go platinum as quick..it's not in their lyrical DNA to make microwave music.

So to answer your question:

NEITHER. Because the wack forces of nature are working against those two options due to what I've said in my post.

And I watch the WSHH clip..

I saw that: Dude is right. BUT...

What are the artists of today are?

Wreckless mouth runners. Immature. Ignorant.

Which goes back to what I mentioned.

LISTEN TO THE CLASSICS and RECOGNIZE and UNDERSTAND why you don't disrespect the legends and what made them LEGENDS.

in other words..

DO YOUR OWN FUCKING RESEARCH.

Before I begin my post I'd like to commend the both of you for your posts in this thread...this has probably been the most enjoyable read since I've joined so props to you both....


I'll let Clark Kent take this one....

This man LOVES Hip-Hop..Older cats complain cause they were there for what it was..They know what it could be...and these days it ain't that..most young cats don't know their history and don't care to go back cause they don't LOVE the shit...


I'd say #1 is better... I was that dude listening to bullshit and my older brothers said "you listen to bullshit...peep this" so I did...and I gained LOVE for it...On my own...I wanted to go back and see where it all started and who made this thing I fell in LOVE with....

Not saying #2 wouldn't work but.... from my experiences I like to find shit out on my own...My passion for this developed on my own...that's why It excited me cause I discovered what was dope and I felt the passion...


Do the young motherfuckers coming out these days and the young motherfuckers who support them have LOVE? Iunno...doesn't seem like it if they wouldn't wanna go back and discover the classics...Definitely not the cats putting out the shit I would consider corny...They don't seem to be in for the LOVE at all...at the least the old motherfuckers who should be behind a desk have LOVE for the thing I LOVE... but I am a self admitting older dude...I mainly listen to shit I grew up on....Thank God I was old enough to really get into this shit from 93 on....cause I can't even stomach the shit that comes out these days....

That's the key word.

LOVE.

Niggas today do not LOVE Hip Hop.

Pretty interesting argument


As far as legends getting behind a desk to search for talent, they have to see someone they feel that can guide on a successful path of being an MC. That means tutoring from mic presence to lyrical content.

Honestly for myself, I'm trying to write to pass the time, but if Jay-Z or Rakim where to see my lyrics and be like, "Man you might have a shot to go somewhere in the music world, who am I to refuse?

I see what you're saying 5th, but people REALLY have to see passion in someone who loves making music to where if there was no contracts or getting paid for it and just being known to the world, that they would drop music non-stop.

You KNOW the answer is #2. everyone reading this shit knows that the answer.

Let me ask YOU and whomever else is reading A PERSONAL question. If you have your children running around wreckless, misbehaving, talkin back and shit who do you blame? The kids who have NO IDEA what they're doing is stupid.

or

the parents who were SUPPOSE to school em on what's right wrong.

actually don't bother respond to that cuz I already know YOU know its the parents........NOW


NIGGA THAT'S MY POINT RIGHT THERE. They didn't listen to those albums so how the fuck are they going to know what to push. That's why I'm saying KRS needs to find his way into that chair and put up his feet and say, "no more of this wack shit. Go independant with that crap!"

where's maino? Maino STILL around. Maino will NEVER blow you away with lyrics like Canibus, Maino is HIMSELF.

you mean to tell me you'll front on this?

YouTube - Maino- Letter To Pac {With Lyrics In Description}

maino album ain't droppin because he aint hustlin right. EXACT SAME thing with Papoose. Pap dropped like 4 million mixtapes before an album. NOBODY was anticipating his shit if one of YOUR old heads stepped in I STRONGLY agree that shit would be totally different.


we know the industry doesn't want concept, story telling and all that but Blaze you frontin like we (the cats that bump and LIVE this shit hip hop) are powerless to shift what the industry listens to. The problem is that the same dudes that were fiending for Rakim and Wu Tang, etc have shifted their attention to STRICTLY underground and pretty much said, "yo fuck mainstream, leave that to the kids"

Blaze, I guarantee you and I both grew up the SAME way.

When we were young, running our mouths, talking back, misbehaving and shit LOL

did our mothers ignore that?

LET THAT SHIT SLIDE?!



NO


your ass got POPPED in the mouth for EVER thinking we could disrespect our parents.



So blaze PLEASE tell me, why do Kool G, Kane, and KRS allow new cats, ex. maino, speak on them like that?

disrespect?!

na. If they schooled the new bucks like they were schooled shit would be totally different.

the main thing is KRS is WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY more effective behind a desk at a big label than in a studio.

yea me and Blaze could do this all day no lie lol.

Let me re-recycle my previous analogy. on why #2 is better than #1

When you were a baby did you parents throw a book at you as an infant say, "here lil nigga this is a book. Look at the words and learn to read"

no. My grandmother showed me which books to read in terms of looking up black history and then she left it up to me to seek the knowledge myself as Blaze is leading to. Honestly, and truly, how do you expect cats like Yung Berg to LISTEN and STUDY Follow the Leader or even The Adventures of????????

what are you suppose to study? Lyrics? those lyrics were hot in THAT era. Niggas roll their eyes to shit like, "she saw my necklace, started relaxin, now thats what the fuck I call a chain reaction" Jay FIRST said it. Now NUMEROUS people keep on using it (Fabolous and Remy Ma to name a few) the shit is OLD.

what are you suppose to study? flow? then you're considered a biter and nobody wants to listen to you.

the ONLY thing the new cats take today from the old heads is the production. Royce will take production from Premo but you wont catch him trying to spit and mimic Big Daddy Kane. Kane has HIS style and that worked for HIM in that ERA. Royce has HIS style and he needs to find HIS style in THIS era. Since the nigga is lost, Kane why don't point the nigga in the right direction?

are the new cats missing the love? LOL yes. But again I ask, when you talk back to your parents, the people that birthed you, do they NOT smack you and say, "stfu and respect the motherfuckers that birthed you youngin'"

don't worry. I'll wait.

seriously, yall SERIOUSLY think EVERY young buck today has

NO RAW TALENT
NO RESPECT
NO LOVE


wtf is this then?

http://2dopeboyz.com/2008/07/18/skillz-rap-city-freestyle/

how do YOU KRS, Clark Kent, Premo, and company

LET THAT SHIT STAY UNDER WRAPS?????

that's beyond me.

i think i'm going with Killer Mike by thinking Rakim would be a bigger help to the rap game if he was to continue making music instead of looking for talent... but doing both would do.

I get your point and you might be right about option #2 being better...Maybe the game has changed..maybe it is time for the torch to be passed..but it's hard for me to accept that when artists from the old still make good ass music...for example, Q-Tip-The Renaissance..That album was DOPE AS FUCK to me...just funky as all hell...or EPMD-We Mean Business...They were two dope ass albums that came out in the last year from artists that have been doing it since the late 80's...Granted an 18 old kid probably ain't gunna pick them shits up aside from cats that frequent forums and such..but how can you say artists from that era should pack it up when they are more than capable of making great shit...That Tip album especially...I can't get over how fucking good it is and it was a breath of fresh air after hearing Common's bullshit ass album...I almost cried when I heard the beats on that shit....wtf was he thinking?...but back on track...Tip led by example on how to make a great record with lyrical content other than some new dance,or tales of spending drug money on rims....

as you and Blaze stated earlier in this thread it all started to go downhill 97ish with No Limit/Cash Money and Diddy/Mase....I'm not gunna blame the South for what happened cause Diddy was doing the same shit....But a lot of where it went wrong was P flooding the market with a new album every month from his circle of clowns..my friends were like crack addicts when that shit was going on...dudes would be bumpin' Mia X and Mo B Dick like it was the shit because the were hypnotized....and the jacking of beats by Diddy didn't help either....BUT artists did stand up around that time and say it was bullshit...I just don't think the artists have as much influence as they probably should....I think Blaze said it earlier in this thread that the owners of the record labels are the most at fault....They also own the radio stations that play the music and the television channels that play the videos....What can KRS or Rakim do against that?

I don't wanna get all conspiracy theorist on your ass but, is what gets played and the negative things things they teach i.e. be materialistic,disrespect women,sell drugs..all a coincidence? The music put out these days does nothing but keep "urban" youth blind as to whats really important in life...But in the late 80's early 90's Afrocentricity,Empowering,Life Skills,Positivity in songs were what was up...Then this shit started to get REALLY big and it suddenly got dumbed down....Iunno where I'm going with this but um..yeah...Fuck new shit....